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of fiscal cliff. >> he said democrats are slow walking the economy to the fiscal cliff, yet, this is the same republican leadership that has the house in session barely a day. barely a full day this week. >> the fiscal cliff is the term that is given to a set of spending cuts and tax increases that will take effect in january if congress does not act to stop them. >>> investigators are trying to determine what happened before a football fan fell or jumped from the third deck at the oakland coliseum. he fell to the concourse during last night's broncos, raiders game and taken to the hospital with serious injuries. they called it an accident and it remains under investigation. >> the rails are like three to 4 feet. if you don't pay attention, you can fall. he fell yesterday. >> the raiders did issue a statement. the team had no information beyond what authorities are releasing. their thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends. >>> coming up in a few minutes, roger good dell will say where the raiders shall play in the future and who would pay to build a new stadium.
the fiscal cliff standoff is hitting the economy. the add pressure on washington to reach >>> live look from our vollmer peak cam east bay hills bay bridge there, you can see how chilly it is in spots and you don't see fog. both those conditions are out there. mike will update you on that in a few minutes. >>> in an hour the labor department will release november jobs report analysts the unemployment rate to remain at 7.9%. economists blame everything from sandy to worries over the fiscal i cliff. >> reporter: the fiscal cliff is still three weeks ago the economy may have already taken a hit economists predict the jobs report will show employers added fewer than 100,000 workers in november. superstorm sandy may be part of the reason, worry over the fiscal cliff may have also had an impact. some estimate at least 200,000 fewer jobs have been created this year, due to urn certainty about the fiscal cliff. -- >> reporter: >> the president: it is important we get this done now. >> reporter: in washington republicans and democrats are talking, no breakthrough locked in a stalemate. president obam
's no progress to report. when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was speaker boehner's downbeat assessment of fiscal negotiations. he went on putting blame squarely on the president. let's listen. >> this president has adopted of a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. it's time for the president, if he's serious, to come back to us with a counteroffer. >> shortly after house ni mort leader nancy pelosi put the plame back on republicans. let's listen. >> the only obstacle standing in the way of middle income tax relief are the republicans unwillingness to ask the top 2% to pay their fair share. this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking. christmas is coming, the goose is getting fat, but in many homes across america it's very -- a very, very lean time. >> and today's jobs report showing 146,000 jobs added in november and unemployment dipping to 7.7% may give the president some leverage in negotiations with boehner. but wh
you for ruining my life you brats. worried about the fiscal cliff? the economy, ben go swrea? -- benghazi? no need, my friend. the economy has been saved. they removed the word lunatic from the law. the act of 2012 aimes to eliminate, quote, references that contribute to the stigmata swraition of mental health conditions in account as of congress. like a 1947 law that read the words insane and it should include every lunatic and sane person. sorry, bill, the word in it is being left in. the measure has the backing of the psychiatric association. he is not buying it as he explains to neil kavudo. >> not only should we eliminate the word lun atic when the world is on the brink of bankruptcy we should apply it to anybody who wants to do business as usual in washington. >> in the business we call that a sick burn. now more to sneak attack cat in the house chambers. >> i wasn't surprised by sneak attack cat. when your name is sneak attack cat you give it away you stupid cat. bova, do you feel better knowing it was purged from law? >> yes. i feel we are on the way to recovery. if y
get weird around here. >> interesting outfit. >> my gosh! >> eric: yes, the dreaded fiscal cliff. tax hike, spending cut and sequestion ration, whatever they are. belly flop the economy at once. comfortabling the know that d.c. is on top of it all. alex simpson, former senator and the guy that everyone thinks is a lifeguard at the fiscal pool. ♪ ♪ >> eric: okay, beckel is gangnam style. good to know we're in good hands but get serious, folks. >> any word from karl rove? >> despite what we're telling you, it's over. romney lost. >> i guess it's time i explain, the good people, the upcoming fiscal cliff. >> the economy is the car and rich sman a driver. don't give the driver many. they will drive you over a cliff. just common sense. >> eric: not exactly. the only way to save the republic is for us to let the president go off the fiscal cliff. taxes will go up. but mandatory spending cuts get enacted. that seems to be the only way dems will cut a dime. let's save the place for the kids. do you agree? >> greg: i do. >> bob: i think you're crazy. >> greg: funny that bob and i agree but
explain, the good people, the upcoming fiscal cliff. >> the economy is the car and rich sman a driver. don't give the driver many. they will drive you over a cliff. just common sense. >> eric: not exactly. the only way to save the republic is for us to let the president go off the fiscal cliff. taxes will go up. but mandatory spending cuts get enacted. that seems to be the only way dems will cut a dime. let's save the place for the kids. do you agree? >> greg: i do. >> bob: i think you're crazy. >> greg: funny that bob and i agree but for different reasons. fiscal cliff is a horrible med fore. i means the high grade leftism. what you get are massive cuts in defense. and higher taxes. that means the government expands without improving the one thing that works. so you are feeding obese fat man called the government who still isn't doing any good. what they are doing is blackmailing us. president obama is blackmailing saying if you don't do this, if you don't raise taxes on 2%, this is what will happen. >> eric: can i take issue with that? what if we don't go off the fiscal cliff? we are abo
the president of slow walking the economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff and says if the president got the tax increase he wants the country would be facing trillion dollar deficits. >> this isn't a progress report because there is in progress to report. when it comes to the fiscal cliff threatening our economy and jobs the white house has wasted another week. >>reporter: he calls officials saying they are ready to go over the trip. >>shepard: democrats insist that revenue, revenue, revenue is the key. >>guest: president obama campaigned on it and obviously won and democrats insist upper income americans should pay higher taxes but there could be room to negotiate but their point is they don't want to talk about other aspects of a deal until the g.o.p. gives in on their demand for more tax money. >> what is lacking are the revenues. we cannot cut your way to deficit reduction. what reduces the deficit are jobs. job creation. after spending cuts, and medicare saving, and next is the revenue. >>reporter: leader pelosi spent time at the white house today meeting with president obama on wh
the fact that the fed is stepping on the gas, and, depending on what happens with the fiscal cliff and of course the economy next year, i think the dollar is going to drift a little bit weaker. nothing dramatic, but i think it will drift a little weaker as the year progresses. > thanks tim. have a good trading day. > > thanks. just in time for the holidays, hostess brands' layoff of more than 18,000 employees is part of a bulge in end-of-the-year layoffs this year. job cuts are up for the third straight month, and our cover story looks at whether this is a trend that may continue in the new year. job cuts nationwide were up for the third consecutive month in november. november would have been lower, but hostess brands' 18,500 layoffs as a part of bankruptcy pushed the number higher. "it's not a reflection of the strength of the economy as a whole." since january, the number of announced layoffs is actually 13% lower than it was in 2011. that's despite a dreadful january and february that saw more than 50,000 layoffs at american airlines, pepsico, j.c. penney, metlife and procter an
of the fiscal cliff instead of engaging in serious talks to avert the cliff, that includes spending cuts and tax reforms the president once supported. the white house has only offered a joke. i understand we have speaker boehner to the microphones. let's take a listen. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefinite, infinite increase on the debt limit, like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proposal, based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then, there's been no counteroffer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the cliff. instead of cutting spending, the president want to raise tax rates. but even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would c
to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> we've had time. the president has given the republicans flexibility to come up with a credible, specific plan. what they offered in return was an empty letter lacking in specifics. >> meanwhile, vice president biden is having lunch with several middle class americans who would see their income taxes go up if the tax cuts are not extended. all of this comes as the first jobs report since the election exceeded expectations. the u.s. economy added some 146,000 jobs last month. that was enough it to drive the unemployment rate down to 7.7%. joining me to talk about all of it, florida congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz and she chairs the democratic national committee. good friday afternoon to you. >> thank you. >> john boehner said today that democrats' plan is to, quote, slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff. how do you respond it to that? >> well, that's just utterly preposterous. the republicans right now in the house of representatives have a bill that would ext
have had otherwise. just imagine that. the fiscal cliff is going cost the economy in that order of magnitude, 3 million jobs. we should not, not, not go over that cliff. now -- >> by the same token, though, his point about -- and i don't want to make this about ed. the fact remains that the debt levels we have in this country in effect put a cap on growth right now. >> sure, sure, sure. i think that economists have been saying for years -- i have said repeatedly, economists on both sides of the aisle have said repeatedly what we need is a long-term plan for deficit reduction that begins to take effect when the economy is closer to its capacity. right now it's at least 6% below its capacity. the unemployment rate, 7.7, it should be like 5.7 at capacity. we should not be doing a lot of deficit reduction right now. we want to sends a credible message to markets that we're serious about deficit reduction, but to put it in place in that brutal way, $600 billion next year, forget it. that's not good economics. >> there is a school of thought that says that we just have to get used to
has already been pointed out. we need to spur this economy and of the fiscal cliff developed and small-businesses our hits we have to have growth somewhere and that could be a way of doing it. >> who of wants to pick this up do we go over the fiscal cliff? >> yes. probably. 55% to 60% and early january they strike some kind of deal that allows the administration to say there decreasing taxes from what they went to in january 1st. i say 60% we are going over the cliff. dave: we are playing with fire if that happens. a lot of people say even if it is temporary it might push us into recession. quickly, you think that is possible that we will? >> certainly possible. interesting the consensus have gone from 50% to 60%. a month or two ago we were not going to go over the cliff. i agree that is completely flipped on its head and the only president in recent memory who headed debt ceiling in summer of 2011, all through july everyone was confident we were going to get a deal and we saw what happened. a little bit of cash on the sidelines to reload the. of the goal of the cliff, is not a bad thi
strategy to a slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. gerri: earlier i asked republican senator richard shelby of alabama for his take on the comments from boehner. >> i believe that speaker boehner is on the right track. the president has not come uptown now, been deeply involved, that we know about , in any of these offers are counteroffers. dealers said he has been campaigning to meet. but he has to get involved if he wants to avoid the fiscal cliff. i think that the speaker has indicated that he will try to engage in, try to meet him and try to avoid the fiscal cleft that the presiient is going to continue to say it is my way or the highway, that is another game. gerri: it is. harry reid today saying that the game is at chess game, and the republicans are the jets. here is harry reid. >> he has a problem. he has three quarterbacks. he cannot decide who the quarterback is going to be. that is the same problem republicans are having. romney is gone, but he is still in the background. we have mcconnell and boehner. who is the quarterback, mr. president? gerri
the fiscal cliff. >> the fiscal cliff is still three weeks away, but the economy may have already taken a hit. economists predict that the monthly jobs report will show that employers added more than -- less than 100,000 jobs in november. superstorm sandy may be part of the reason, but worry over the fiscal cliff may have also had an impact. economists predict that perhaps 200,000 jobs that you're -- 200,000 fewer jobs were created this year because of worries over the pasqual. republicans and democrats are talking again, but still no breakthrough. president obama is demanding that higher tax rates for the wealthy and a permanent extension of the debt ceiling be part of a deal. >> he shows what he is really after is assuming unprecedented power to spend taxpayer dollars. >> republicans who said they are open to raising tax revenue said they will only do so in exchange for deep spending cuts. if no deal happens one casualty would be long-term unemployment help. >> christmas would be off the table. >> aides to speaker boehner and president obama met yesterday. >> we are finding out what folks i
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their tax burdens will be like this year. the impact that the fiscal cliff could have on the economy will go up across the board. >> as we get closer and closer to the end of the year i think the uneasiness will continue and the worry we might not see a resolution is going to effect our market. >> it has an impact or hiring as well. physical we go over the cliff the long-term benefits will in fact expire at the end of the year. as the president visited a family in virginia to talk about tax hikes on the wealthy there were few talks on if is clal cliff talks. >> i am not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rates from going up for folks at the top two percent. >> this isn't about getting a handle on debt for him it's about spending more than he already has. >> as far as the unp employment numbers are concerned today there is little doubt that super storm sandy had an impact on those. the expectation is that it dissipated a great degree. back to you guys. >>> doug luzader in washington, thank you. >> it is time to look at who is talking. we are hearing from bill o'reilly tod
seriously hampered last month's hiring. among them, concerns about the looming fiscal cliff. and other factors, as well. abc's tahman bradley has that story from washington. >> reporter: the fiscal cliff is still three weeks away. but the economy may have already taken a hit. economists predict the government's monthly jobs report, due out later this morning, will show that employers added fewer than 100,000 workers in november. superstorm sandy may be part of the reason job creation slowed. but worry over the fiscal cliff may have also had an immaterial pact. some economists believe that 200,000 fewer jobs thhave been created this year, due to uncertainty about the fiscal cliff. >> it's very important we get it done now. >> reporter: republicans and democrats are talking again. but still, no breakthrough. the parties are locked in a stalemate. president obama is demanding that higher tax rates for the wealthy and a permanent extension of the debt ceiling, the government's ability to borrow money, be part of the deal. >> he's assuming unprecedented power to spend taxpayer dollars out a
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it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> reporter: vice president biden was confident that this deal will get done because he's optimistic genetically. says if everyone can act like adults and can reach an agreement, the up side will be much greater than the down side. >> any indication when there might be a presidential meeting with the speaker? >> reporter: we don't know at all. there has been one phone call this week. white house aides saying so far they're not making announcements about meetings or phone calls. >> they need to meet to resolve this. maybe their teams and staffers could do some advance work but the clock is ticking. dan lothian, thank you. >>> president obama's top campaign strategist is here in a few minutes. david axelrod did something today he hasn't done in decades. look at that, before and after. he's ready to challenge a member of cnn's political team to do the same thing. stand by. >>> and take a look at this. we're going to tell you why the driver says she didn't stop outsid
? >> absolutely. we can't allow to us go off the fiscal cliff. it would be disastrous for our economy, a self-inflicted wound. we've got to get it done and compromise and i think we should stay in a locked room until it's done. >> what about taking it a if he further, your paycheck. i get -- a step further, your paycheck. i get viewers that write in all the time and say hey. take their pay. >> that's not going to solve the fiscal cliff. >> that would give you some incentive, wouldn't it? >> just lock us in a room and we'll get it done. >> gerry connolly said look, the atmosphere up there now is a lot like the old high school lunch room with competing groups that don't really talk to each other. he said that's what it's like in the house do. you talk to your friends on the other side of the aisle in the senate? >> absolutely. we've had meetings every day. i'm convinced that we can find a way to come together and reach a compromise on this. we understand what it's going to be. we understand there's going to be some pain for paul of us, but it's going to be good -- all of us, but it's going to b
thefully negotiation -- impacts the fiscal cliff negotiation. >>> a youth group visiting florida got robbed. the group made of you of 24 teenagers and said they were eating in a restaurant in fort lauderdale, florida about an hour after they arrived for a weekend youth conference. they say thieves stole $12,000 cash. one member of the group was able to have money wired to them. so they were able to spend last night in a hotel. we have no word yet if that group will return to oakland today. >>> funeral services will be held this weekend for two teenaged girs shot to death in oakland last month. funeral services will be held for ra chef at cooper's -- raquel at cooper's and the girls were found last month near brookdale park. they had been shot as many as 36 times. no arrests have been made as of yet. >>> today is the 71st anniversary of the attack on pearl harbor. bay area survivors will mark the day by marking the been to on mt. diablo at desk. >> the eye of diablo was turned off on teague 8th, the day after the attack. so it would not be a , so it would not be a guide for -- so it would no
did not look kindly on the republicans holding the entire economy hostage. the fiscal cliff is bad, but not irretrievable. you can go into january and still put the pieces back together. as you know, defaulting on the debt is irretrievable thing. that's the economic equivalent of a nuclear weapon. that is a big dynamite compared to the fiscal cliff crew having said that, as they get to the year end, i think they'll say we'll vote to extend middle class tax cuts. our leverage is greater because it's the nuclear bomb so they can increase their leverage as they move toward a vote. we may end up into january early february negotiating again about a debt ceilingle. >> that would be very hazardous. an economic nuclear deterrent is only effective if you're ready to set it off. i'm not saying there aren't tea party republicans that would be willing to tank the economy on this, but i think republicans really are overplaying their hand if they think they're going to get a lot of leverage out of this debt ceiling. they may think that. but people remember that episode more than a year ago and
to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president that the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we will continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending3 problem, not a revenue problem. if the president does not agree with our proposal, i believe he has an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such plan. >> you did speak with the president earlier this week, can you characterize that call. also, it has to be increases in rates for the wealthy or no deal. >> the phone call was pleasant, but more of the same. it is time for the president to be serious and come back with a counter offer. [inaudible question] >> the risk the president wants us to take, increasing tax rates will hit many small businesses that produce 60-70% of the new jobs in our country. that is the whole issue. [inaudible question] >> i think that is reckless talk. [inaudible question] >> listen, raising
on entrepreneurs. it is the secret sauce that's built the american economy. >> what about the fiscal cliff? you brought it up. do you think they will take us over the cliff at this point and how damaging if that happens would it be not only to entrepreneurship but to the country as a whole? >> i think it will be troubling. hopefully they won't. i know there is a lot of posturing and hopefully a lot of quiet negotiations happening and hopefully there will be a resolution that can build pore. it is important not just for the fiscal cliff. i think the country and actually the world is looking at washington saying can these guys work together in a collaborative bipartisan way to deal with fiscal issues, our entrepreneurship issues, we have to start building that bipartisan support. congress did come together, republicans and democrats, house and senate with support of the white house to pass the jobs act around access to capital for entrepreneurs so we have some example of that. hopefully that momentum will continue not just on the fiscal cliff in the coming weeks but issues like the start-up act 2
the fiscal cliff, if we have reasonable resolution type of programs that the president has been proposing to support the economy in the short run, get us on a sustainable fiscal path in the long run, protect the middle class we're going to see progress in this economy. >> the risk the president wants us to take increasing tax rates will hit many small businesses that produce 60 to 70% of the new jobs in our country. that's the whole issue here. >> on the fiscal cliff front, no new deals or concessions made public, but "the new york times" reports the dynamic has changed. at the request of speaker boehner, senate leaders and nancy pelosi have been dismissed from the negotiating table. leaving just the speaker and the president to hammer this one out. today vice president biden is hosting middle-class families at the white house, continuing to pressure congress to strike a deal on tax rates below 250,000. yesterday, the president struck a hopeful note with a middle-income family in virginia, while maintaining a hardline on negotiations. >> the message that i think we all want to send to mem
. at the live desk, melissa mollet, news 4. >>> today we could see the impact, the threat the fiscal cliff is having on our economy, even before the end of the year, the labor department will release its november jobs report this morning. many economists believe fewer than 100,000 new jobs were created this month. that may be because companies are waiting to hire more companies until after the financial crisis is resolved. superstorm sandy likely had an impact on the unemployment rate economisted expect the unemployment rate to remain at 7.9%. >>> president obama says this northern virginia couple is proof that lawmakers must come to an agreement on a budget deal by the end of the year. he met with tiffany and richard santana yesterday. living with tiffany's parents to help make ends meet. she wrote about her struggles to the white house as part of a social media campaign. >> we live with an extended family. we have two sets of adult incomes in our home. it would be more like a $4,000 tax increase for us, which would be relatively devastating for our family. i wanted to share that with the
leaders are telling him the economy will take off if there is a fiscal cliff deal. >> they have over $1 trillion out there to invest. if they think that the economy is going to move. >> he suggested some wiggle room to get that done. >> the top brackets have to go up. this is not a negotiable issue. theoretical we could negotiate how far up. >> democrats noted today despite boehner's tough talk when he was pressed on whether the tax rates on the rich could be negotiated he initially ignored it and then suggested some flexibility. >> there are a lot of things that are possible. to put the revenue that the president seeks on the table. >> now white house officials are clear in saying they still want the tax rate to go up to 39.6% like in the clinton days. but it's clear tonight they will give on that a little to get a deal. john? >> john: we'll see how far they will go. ed henry for us at the white house. thanks. the borrow a phrase "grease is the word" that both sides in the te bait are using for the worst case scenario of what will happen in the fiscal cliff. which sides understands bes
that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code and cutting spending the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion-dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. listen, washington has got a spending problem not a revenue problem. if the president doesn't agree with our proposal i believe that he's got an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own, a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such a plan. >> you did speak with the president earlier this week, can you characterize that call? did he have any kind of counter offer? also, we understand that he is making clear that it's got to be increase in rates for the wealthy or no deal. are you willing to give a little bit maybe not all the way to 39.6? >> the phone call was pleasant, just more of the same. the conversations that the staff had yesterday, jus
that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> sreenivasan: the president has insisted there will be no deal unless republicans agree to raise tax rates on the top 2%. republicans say the tax hikes would only hurt job creation. but in arlington, virginia, vice president biden said today's jobs report shows the economy is turning a corner, so it's critical to get a deal. >> there is a sense... there is a sense that if we can reach an- - act like adults and reach an agreement here on the fiscal cliff, the upside is much higher even than the downside is if we don't. >> sreenivasan: biden said the president is willing to consider what he called any serious offer. aides for the two sides were expected to continue talking, through the weekend. wall street was mostly higher on the news from november's jobs report. the dow jones industrial average gained 81 points to close at 13,155. the nasdaq was hurt by another sell-off in apple stock, and fell 11 points to close at 2,978. for the week, the dow gained 1%. the nasdaq lost 1%. this
the president can permit the economy to fall over the fiscal cliff, or curb, whatever you want to call it, he can't allow us to default on our debt. that would, like, destroy the economy. that gives republicans a stronger hand or so they think. but really, think about that. here's how it would go. later this month, republicans would, by voting present, which everyone would think was a bit weird, permit the bush tax cuts to expire for income over $250,000. that would let president obama pocket $1 trillion in tax revenue and secure a win on his key priority in the talks. but they would do nothing else. at the end of the year, we would still go over the fiscal cliff. remember, the bush tax cuts are one of the at least stimulative policies in the negotiations. according to the economic policy institute, extending the middle class tax cuts would wipe out only about 11% of the austerity's economic impact. 11%. but all that other stuff, the payroll tax cut, the unemployment insurance, the sequester, all that, that would still be expiring. so come early next year, the economy would likely be entering
ago is 10 percent and the chance of the fiscal cliff and higher taxes killing the economy is probably 50 percent and, yes, you are right, we are still not fixing the problem or coming to a solution. one thing, remember, when we had the problem with the debt downgrade and the different talks a year ago? there were the scare tactics from washington about what would happen to interest rates, and what would happen to social security, and interest rates went down, people got their checks and everything was fine. >>neil: i am reminded of the words of the apollo 13 command other, can you not fake the magnitude of a disaster but washington can paper over a problem with cuts that are not real, and revenues that may not be what they appear to be, so, the fear is the same, it is presenting something that ultimately markets will not buy and people will not trust. >>guest: that is right. and, also, put in the notion it has to be done in the next three weeks or else, and look what has happened with the debt numbers. the nones are absolutely out-of-control. it will be over $20 trillion here in the n
to the fiscal cliff that is threatening our economy and jobs the white house has wastde another week. secretary gitener came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on and had more stimulus spending thanned the in cuts. and an indefinite increase in the debt limit like for ever. now four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there has been no count offer from the white house. instead reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate stradgeji to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code and cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. but even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has got a spending problem, not a revenue problem. if the president doesn't agree with our proposal, i believe he's got an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own, a plan th
if congress does address the problems that it needs to address concerning the fiscal cliff if we had reasonable resolution type of programs that the president has been proposing to support the economy in the short run, get us on a sustainable fiscal path in the long run, protect the middle class, we're going to continue to see progress in this economy. in fact, i would say if you look deeply in this report the retail trade sector did quite well. that's a sign consumers are feeling more confident. and the last thing we need now is a big tax increase on the middle class to affect that consumer confidence. >> to the fiscal cliff here. one of the more intriguing parts of the story has been is it actually bad for the economy in the long run if we go over the cliff, and i want to quote back to you, the congressional budget office, their review of the fiscal cliff policies and they made a projection that while 2013, if all of the fiscal cliff things and all is enacted in congress and you do nothing to stop the tax rate increases for everybody, 2013 will be bad but by 2018 and 2020 we will b
that the president has adopted deliberate strategy the slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code, cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending problem. not a receive knew problem. the president doesn't agree with our proposal, i believe that he's got an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such a plan. >> mr. speaker, you did speak with the president earlier this week. can you characterize that call? did he have any kind of counteroffer? also, we understand that he just is making clear that it is -- got to be increase in rates for the wealthy or no deal. are you willing to give a little bit, maybe just not all the way to 39.6? >> it was the -- the phone call was pleasant. but it was just more of the same. the conve
is reached on a fiscal cliff deal, that's a big if, serious problems with the economy will remain and it's time to ask the tough questions about the middle class. joining us now, lindsey piegza, economist with ftn financial. lindsey, as always thanks for being here. you say businesses and consumers will face hash realities next year regardless of what washington does on the fiscal cliff. what are those realities? >> right now everyone is very much focused getting a compromise done but even if we get the president's plan, even if we get the republican's plan very likely that shaves growth down to under 1% for the first half of the year. that is dismal outlook regardless whether or not we come to a compromise. that is much more positive outlook than falling off the cliff outright but still doesn't set us up for long-term growth. plus neither one of these proposes asks the tough questions of the middle class saying long term do we want to take on a bigger tax burden or do we want to cut the social programs? the conversation to me seems very disingenuous when we're talking about 100 trillion
in this country should of course we go over that fiscal cliff. what is that going to do to the economy and ability to create jobs next year? >> the last thing the economy needs right now is for a big tax hike on the middle class. the $2,200 tax increase for the typical family you alluded to, we calculate that would cause consumer spending to fall by $200 billion next year. that would cut the growth of consumption by 1.7 percentage points and shave 1.4 percentage points off gdp growth. there's a simple solution here which is just to extend middle class tax cuts which the senate has already done. >> we got good numbers this morning. i'm willing to take them at face value. better than a bid. not great. we want 400,000 jobs. do we still need to spend so much money on the payroll tax cut and extended unemployment gains given the fact that we got good news today? >> first and foremost, we need to extend middle class tax cuts. that should be our highest priority. the economy can still use support in the short-term. i think the more we do for the long-term to show that we're on a fiscally sustainable path
. when it comes to the fiscal cliff threatening the economy and jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago the treasury secretary came here to offer a plan that had twice the planned tax hikes the president campaigned on. more stimulus spending than the added cuts, and did and didn't but net -- in definite increase on the debt limit. four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there has been no counter offer from the white house. instead, records indicate the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. intent of reforming the tax code, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president got the tax rate hikes he wanted, understand we would continue to see trillion dollar deficit for a start -- far is that i can see. listed, washington has a problem spending, not the revenue problem. the president does not agree with our proposal. i believe is an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own, a pla
for the american economy. >> an added wrinkle to the fiscal cliff talks is the debt ceiling, with the government on pace to reach its borrowing limit early next year. the white house stated its position on the 14th amendment, which some theory rise is a way for the president to raise the debt limit independently, should republicans attempt to use it as a negotiating tool. >> i can say that this administration does not believe that the 14th amendment gives the president the power to ignore the debt ceiling, period. >> the fiscal cliff talks reached a new low yesterday when, somehow, the new york jets got dragged into it on the senate floor. >> it's not one of my favorite teams, but it's really, really fun to watch, and that's the new york jets. coach ryan, he's got a problem. he has three quarterbacks, sanchez, he's got tim tebow, he's got another guy. he can't decide who their quarterback is going to be. that's the same problem republicans are having. romney's gone, but he's still in the background. we have mcconnell and we have boehner. who is the quarterback, mr. president? who is the quarterb
on the fiscal cliff. when you are focused on uncertainty, what do you do, you do nothing. those are the major implementations for the economy. cheryl: i can hear the hesitancy in your voice. a lot of our guests are saying the same thing. they are afraid of what washington will do or maybe not do. your outlook is a bit more bullish than some of your colleagues. what are you saying in the second half of 2013 that others are not? >> on a very short-term basis, we have noticed there are a couple of things. the fiscal cliff. we cannot get out of the way of that. if you look at to the second half of 2013 that we can get some resolution, we may not like the total resolution, but if we can, you move past a period of uncertainty. three things have started in 2012 that could accelerate in 2013. housing is key. cheryl: it has done incredibly well this year. >> the second aspect is what is going on with the energy field, in terms of technology and energy less dependence for the u.s. the third factor is what is going on in manufacturing. you can talk about the creation of jobs in the u.s. economy. if you
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